Odd, isn’t it? You post news items regarding CART and/or the IRL from
a news source certainly as credible as Champweb, AR1, etc., without a
single line of personal opinion or comment and you are branded a troll
by some posters.
Some of these same posters regularly quote Champweb and various other
sources, but only it seems when the news material suits them or their
view of what they want the world to be. If the news item agrees with
their own viewpoint, its gospel. If it does not it is blasphemy and
trolling.
Again, please note that I did not post a SINGLE LINE of comment or
opinion of my own, and simply relayed the news items much as Mr.
Seppelin used to do with his verbatim AR1 re-posts. Now when Mr.
Zeppelin did it the practice was accepted wholeheartedly and since the
material came from AR1 it was often applauded as fact since AR1 was
supposed to have an "inside" track on all things CART. Obviously this
is not true since it is AR1 that said there are less than 25,000 seats
at Cleveland.
One poster mentions "anti-IRL trolls and anti-CART trolls" and yet he
regularly posts ONLY his opinions, yet he claims that someone who
posts a news item from a source equally as credible as AR!, Champweb,
etc. has "got a lot of nerve" and calls the source "garbage" simply
because he doesn’t like the content of the news. If anyone were to do
any sort of checking they would find that RaceFax has certainly been
what anyone would have to characterize as a pro-CART/anti-IRL source,
yet here in this instance it becomes a "garbage source." Strange?
Odder still is how some of these posters run willy-nilly squealing
like a schoolgirl about killfiling anyone who posts such news. Isn’t
this the worst kind of denial? If you don’t like the news, then just
don’t read it and maybe it will go away?
It is obviously quite true that Lausitzring is down the tubes, and
that the CART event there has been cancelled. RaceFax reports it and
yet it is a "garbage source." What of all the other sites with similar
reports? Cart.com? SpeedTV.com? Champweb? Are they all sudeenly
"garbage sources," too?
It is also not to hard to surmise that this place the Rockingham event
in jeopardy. Some on these newsgroups have even suggested as much.
RaceFax reports it and is suddenly a "garbage source," but not any
other news reporter or newsgroup poster who suggests the same?
Rumors have been flying around for months about TKG, KOOL, Andretti,
Barry Green, Motorola, and Kim Green, and posters here have speculated
loud and long about what may or may not happen there. RaceFax reports
on the same issues and is suddenly a "garbage source" but not the
posters or other news sources like RPM2Night?
AR1 states on their site that the seating capacity is less than 25,000
at Cleveland, as does Dave Reininger, and he uses AR1 as a confirming
source for his own research, yet is slammed as a troll. RaceFax
reports the same thing as AR1, but is suddenly a "garbage source" that
one pays "to be lied to" and isn’t worthy of comment or discussion?
Reading here for months I have seen some posters support Robin Miller
one minute while slamming him the next, all depending on his comments
and whether they agreed with the particular poster’s agenda. Same with
Brock Yates, and now it appears, with RaceFax. How can it be that a
journalist can be 100% credible at one moment but completely
unreliable and devoid of credibility the next, simply decided on
whether he appears to be supporting one series or the other at that
moment?
BTW,my real name is Gary Ghezzi.
Gary
"Arguing on the internet is like running in the
Special Olympics. Even if you do win, you’re still
retarded."
Gary,
I have no problem with the information that you posted, but I will again
mention that RaceFax is copyrighted material, and is not supposed to be
posted to a public forum. Saying where you got it from doesn’t change that
fact.
Rick
"Rick Baumhauer" <rbaumha…@partnersforcommunity.org> wrote in
message news:ah48t4$q5g7f$1@ID-110871.news.dfncis.de…
> Gary,
> I have no problem with the information that you posted, but I will
again
> mention that RaceFax is copyrighted material, and is not supposed
to be
> posted to a public forum. Saying where you got it from doesn’t
change that
> fact.
> Rick
Well, the law provides for use of copywrited material without
express permission under some circumstances.
From another post I found on Google: The ‘fair use’ laws consider
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use
is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work (3) the amount and
substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted
work as a whole and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential
market for or valueof the copywrited work. The fact that a work is
unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such
finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors
I don’t know how much of the fax was quoted compared to the whole,
but I do suspect that the use here does not qualify as commercial
use, and I don’t think that the one time use will damage the sales
of racefax But it’s still probably best just to use a very limited
amount of selective quotes rather than just posting the text.
Yeah, it is odd. People on these groups say they want news and
discussion then when they get it all they want to do is killfile the
poster.
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>On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:15:35 GMT, gghe…@NOSPAMyahoo.com (Gary Ghezzi) wrote:
>Odd, isn’t it? You post news items regarding CART and/or the IRL from
>a news source certainly as credible as Champweb, AR1, etc., without a
>single line of personal opinion or comment and you are branded a troll
>by some posters.
>Some of these same posters regularly quote Champweb and various other
>sources, but only it seems when the news material suits them or their
>view of what they want the world to be. If the news item agrees with
>their own viewpoint, its gospel. If it does not it is blasphemy and
>trolling.
>Again, please note that I did not post a SINGLE LINE of comment or
>opinion of my own, and simply relayed the news items much as Mr.
>Seppelin used to do with his verbatim AR1 re-posts. Now when Mr.
>Zeppelin did it the practice was accepted wholeheartedly and since the
>material came from AR1 it was often applauded as fact since AR1 was
>supposed to have an "inside" track on all things CART. Obviously this
>is not true since it is AR1 that said there are less than 25,000 seats
>at Cleveland.
>One poster mentions "anti-IRL trolls and anti-CART trolls" and yet he
>regularly posts ONLY his opinions, yet he claims that someone who
>posts a news item from a source equally as credible as AR!, Champweb,
>etc. has "got a lot of nerve" and calls the source "garbage" simply
>because he doesn’t like the content of the news. If anyone were to do
>any sort of checking they would find that RaceFax has certainly been
>what anyone would have to characterize as a pro-CART/anti-IRL source,
>yet here in this instance it becomes a "garbage source." Strange?
>Odder still is how some of these posters run willy-nilly squealing
>like a schoolgirl about killfiling anyone who posts such news. Isn’t
>this the worst kind of denial? If you don’t like the news, then just
>don’t read it and maybe it will go away?
>It is obviously quite true that Lausitzring is down the tubes, and
>that the CART event there has been cancelled. RaceFax reports it and
>yet it is a "garbage source." What of all the other sites with similar
>reports? Cart.com? SpeedTV.com? Champweb? Are they all sudeenly
>"garbage sources," too?
>It is also not to hard to surmise that this place the Rockingham event
>in jeopardy. Some on these newsgroups have even suggested as much.
>RaceFax reports it and is suddenly a "garbage source," but not any
>other news reporter or newsgroup poster who suggests the same?
>Rumors have been flying around for months about TKG, KOOL, Andretti,
>Barry Green, Motorola, and Kim Green, and posters here have speculated
>loud and long about what may or may not happen there. RaceFax reports
>on the same issues and is suddenly a "garbage source" but not the
>posters or other news sources like RPM2Night?
>AR1 states on their site that the seating capacity is less than 25,000
>at Cleveland, as does Dave Reininger, and he uses AR1 as a confirming
>source for his own research, yet is slammed as a troll. RaceFax
>reports the same thing as AR1, but is suddenly a "garbage source" that
>one pays "to be lied to" and isn’t worthy of comment or discussion?
>Reading here for months I have seen some posters support Robin Miller
>one minute while slamming him the next, all depending on his comments
>and whether they agreed with the particular poster’s agenda. Same with
>Brock Yates, and now it appears, with RaceFax. How can it be that a
>journalist can be 100% credible at one moment but completely
>unreliable and devoid of credibility the next, simply decided on
>whether he appears to be supporting one series or the other at that
>moment?
>BTW,my real name is Gary Ghezzi.
>Gary
>"Arguing on the internet is like running in the
>Special Olympics. Even if you do win, you’re still
>retarded."
"Gary Ghezzi" wrote:
> <damning textual evidence snipped>
> BTW, my real name is Gary Ghezzi.
Sure, we’ll give this name a whirl for awhile. Then you’ll disappear,
and magically a few days later another chatty "newbie" with the same
bombast, the same tired opinions, the same predilection for the question
mark key, and the same baiting tactics ("Mr. Zeppelin" — where have we
heard that before?) will appear. Of course, this newbie will inevitably
be fully up-to-speed on the history and the personalities of these
groups, because he’s been "reading here for months". Please.
How naive do you think we are?
Since you’re so well-informed on the history of these groups, please
don’t insult us by pretending you don’t know who and what this is about.
Doug
> BTW, my real name is Gary Ghezzi.
Don’t you live in Jersey?
—
Crazy Jimmy, presented by Olde English ’800′
http://www.bubbarazzi.com/mgregoir/
On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:47:24 GMT, Bruno Spaggiari <75…@imola.it> wrote:
> Yeah, it is odd. People on these groups say they want news and
> discussion then when they get it all they want to do is killfile the
What is odd is Bruno 75…@imola.it posting from Austin TX on a road runner
account with his full IP showing. Make that cross posting.
Bob
No kidding — you’d think Bruno would know better….
How much is Bond’s newsletter these days??
I remember his articles from "On Track" magazine back in the early 90′s, but
I never bought his newsletter.
Is it worth the $$$?
L8r J.L.
"Robert Lorenzini" <h…@newportharbornet.com> wrote in message
news:slrnajc0gq.199.hwm@newportharbornet.com…
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> On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:47:24 GMT, Bruno Spaggiari <75…@imola.it> wrote:
> > Yeah, it is odd. People on these groups say they want news and
> > discussion then when they get it all they want to do is killfile the
> What is odd is Bruno 75…@imola.it posting from Austin TX on a road
runner
> account with his full IP showing. Make that cross posting.
> Bob
> How much is Bond’s newsletter these days??
I think it is $30 a year, could be more.
> I remember his articles from "On Track" magazine back in the early 90′s, but
> I never bought his newsletter.
> Is it worth the $$$?
I’d say so. Great race reports, lots of inside stuff and he dishes it
out where necessary. I think a lot of CART fans hate him because he
calls it like it is.
—
Crazy Jimmy, presented by Olde English ’800′
http://www.bubbarazzi.com/mgregoir/
On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:15:35 GMT, gghe…@NOSPAMyahoo.com (Gary
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Ghezzi) wrote:
>Odd, isn’t it? You post news items regarding CART and/or the IRL from
>a news source certainly as credible as Champweb, AR1, etc., without a
>single line of personal opinion or comment and you are branded a troll
>by some posters.
>Some of these same posters regularly quote Champweb and various other
>sources, but only it seems when the news material suits them or their
>view of what they want the world to be. If the news item agrees with
>their own viewpoint, its gospel. If it does not it is blasphemy and
>trolling.
>Again, please note that I did not post a SINGLE LINE of comment or
>opinion of my own, and simply relayed the news items much as Mr.
>Seppelin used to do with his verbatim AR1 re-posts. Now when Mr.
>Zeppelin did it the practice was accepted wholeheartedly and since the
>material came from AR1 it was often applauded as fact since AR1 was
>supposed to have an "inside" track on all things CART. Obviously this
>is not true since it is AR1 that said there are less than 25,000 seats
>at Cleveland.
>One poster mentions "anti-IRL trolls and anti-CART trolls" and yet he
>regularly posts ONLY his opinions, yet he claims that someone who
>posts a news item from a source equally as credible as AR!, Champweb,
>etc. has "got a lot of nerve" and calls the source "garbage" simply
>because he doesn’t like the content of the news. If anyone were to do
>any sort of checking they would find that RaceFax has certainly been
>what anyone would have to characterize as a pro-CART/anti-IRL source,
>yet here in this instance it becomes a "garbage source." Strange?
>Odder still is how some of these posters run willy-nilly squealing
>like a schoolgirl about killfiling anyone who posts such news. Isn’t
>this the worst kind of denial? If you don’t like the news, then just
>don’t read it and maybe it will go away?
>It is obviously quite true that Lausitzring is down the tubes, and
>that the CART event there has been cancelled. RaceFax reports it and
>yet it is a "garbage source." What of all the other sites with similar
>reports? Cart.com? SpeedTV.com? Champweb? Are they all sudeenly
>"garbage sources," too?
>It is also not to hard to surmise that this place the Rockingham event
>in jeopardy. Some on these newsgroups have even suggested as much.
>RaceFax reports it and is suddenly a "garbage source," but not any
>other news reporter or newsgroup poster who suggests the same?
>Rumors have been flying around for months about TKG, KOOL, Andretti,
>Barry Green, Motorola, and Kim Green, and posters here have speculated
>loud and long about what may or may not happen there. RaceFax reports
>on the same issues and is suddenly a "garbage source" but not the
>posters or other news sources like RPM2Night?
>AR1 states on their site that the seating capacity is less than 25,000
>at Cleveland, as does Dave Reininger, and he uses AR1 as a confirming
>source for his own research, yet is slammed as a troll. RaceFax
>reports the same thing as AR1, but is suddenly a "garbage source" that
>one pays "to be lied to" and isn’t worthy of comment or discussion?
>Reading here for months I have seen some posters support Robin Miller
>one minute while slamming him the next, all depending on his comments
>and whether they agreed with the particular poster’s agenda. Same with
>Brock Yates, and now it appears, with RaceFax. How can it be that a
>journalist can be 100% credible at one moment but completely
>unreliable and devoid of credibility the next, simply decided on
>whether he appears to be supporting one series or the other at that
>moment?
>BTW,my real name is Gary Ghezzi.
>Gary
>"Arguing on the internet is like running in the
>Special Olympics. Even if you do win, you’re still
>retarded."
Thats the "resort to name calling" part that makes up 33% of all
CHUMPS.
Cheers, TA
On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:38:33 -0500, "Martti"
<mar…@spamremovejunkbellsouth.net> wrote:
>Well, the law provides for use of copywrited material without
>express permission under some circumstances.
Taking an entire news article from a website and posting it
verbatim in a newsgroup is NOT covered by the fair use
provisions of US copyright law.
Quoting a paragraph or two in the middle of a longer posting,
in order to make a point, would probably be considered fair
use.
Posting a URL that points to the original article, and paraphrasing
or summarizing its main points, is the most ethical way to go.
———-
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In article <4cbbju42u8oa0ef04gf0n7dgtbpoeqd…@4ax.com>,
Bruno Spaggiari <75…@imola.it> wrote:
> Yeah, it is odd. People on these groups say they want news and
> discussion then when they get it all they want to do is killfile the
> poster.
A .it suffix posting from Texas under a motorcyclist name? Well, I’ve
heard of one Texan with a Ducati fetish.
"Marc P. Gregoire" <mgreg…@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:3D364E7A.3C410B87@gmx.net…
> > How much is Bond’s newsletter these days??
> I think it is $30 a year, could be more.
Actually, I’m pretty sure it’s $90/year for everything (CART, IRL, F1), and
very much worth it. Sometimes I don’t like what he sends, but I have a
difficult time arguing with him on facts.
"Brian P. Sweeney, Esq." <rascpropone…@yahoo.com> spat out
news:ah6rbp$qvi6q$4@ID-15501.news.dfncis.de:
> In article <4cbbju42u8oa0ef04gf0n7dgtbpoeqd…@4ax.com>,
> Bruno Spaggiari <75…@imola.it> wrote:
>> Yeah, it is odd. People on these groups say they want news and
>> discussion then when they get it all they want to do is killfile the
>> poster.
> A .it suffix posting from Texas under a motorcyclist name? Well, I’ve
> heard of one Texan with a Ducati fetish.
Isn’t he in one of the other newsgroups?
–
Cheers,
Matt Pope
You really have a Pagan fetish don’t you Brian?
"Brian P. Sweeney, Esq." <rascpropone…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <4cbbju42u8oa0ef04gf0n7dgtbpoeqd…@4ax.com>,
> Bruno Spaggiari <75…@imola.it> wrote:
> > Yeah, it is odd. People on these groups say they want news and
> > discussion then when they get it all they want to do is killfile the
> > poster.
> A .it suffix posting from Texas under a motorcyclist name? Well, I’ve
> heard of one Texan with a Ducati fetish.