Unlike The Idiot Grandson and his wankers, who depend on Grandma’s
money or the Sister’s infinite patience with little tony, a real
businessman speaks out on CART’s future :
http://speedtv.com/articles/auto/champcar/9116/
All of this is being done without having to walk the streets, in order
to keep T&H happy, like wankers love to do.
Juan
Well, today’s the day!
Now that Pook, Gentilozzi, Pollock, Kalkhoven, and Forsythe have
systematically robbed the shareholders of having a say in CART’s
future, it comes down to a BOD vote today on which direction the
current carpetbaggers will try and take the "company" (and I use that
term about as loosely as it can be applied).
CART can choose to go it alone and reject OWRS’ latest carcass-picking
vulture offer to try and obtain exclusive access to the "company"
assets after declaring bankruptcy, and seek other buyers or try to
stay alive on its own.
CART can choose to attempt to accept the ludicrous bone-picking offer
from the Three Amigos (Gentilozzi, Kalkhoven, & Forsythe – I don’t
count Pollock because he doesn’t have enough brains to make a decent
decision and simply follows the other three like a puppy) that make up
OWRS and then declare bankruptcy, once again screwing the shareholders
like an ugly girl on prom night.
CART can choose to reject the offer and declare bankruptcy anyway and
put itself and everyone else out of their misery that has been
connected with this debacle.
With the bankruptcy options, then the question becomes Chapter 7 or
Chapter 11.
CART already passed OWRS’ initial deadline, set as this past Monday at
9:00 am EST, but obviously OWRS doesn’t mind.
Either way, the shareholders have once more been left holding the bag
and without a voice in what happens to their cash, and whatever
decision is made will determine just how CART finally dies off.
Stay tuned.
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:55:10 -0000, "Iain Miller" <do…@spam.me>
wrote:
>> >Same reason that die hard 49er’s fans will always support their team. One
>of
>> >the biggest Soccer clubs in the UK is on the brink of Administration this
>> >week for much the same kind of reasons. Doesn’t mean that the fans won’t
>> >follow it and support the management till the bitter end.
>> So that’s the excuse for stupidity these days, eh?
>You have a better explanation? The directors of public companies publish
>what they are going to do and then do it…..there have been no surprises as
>to where CART has spent its money that I can see. Pretty much everything has
>been out in the open for all to see (and vote against).
Better go and check that CART charter, Iain. The shareholders were
never given a chance to vote on the expenditures.
>> No matter how dishonest and duplicious the management, or no matter
>> how much damage they do or how much of other people’s money they piss
>> away, support and cheer them unconditionally, right?
>> So, if Pook was out robbing liqour stores it would be A-Okay with you
>> as long as he said it was to try and save CART?
>> Go ahead, Iain – dig yourself a little deeper.
>This is a public company – if the management had been duplicitous (please
>note the spelling!) by any technical or legal definition they’d be in court
>or jail by now. I see no actions of that type pending against any of the
>management as individuals – please do correct me if I’m wrong on that.
They will be in court, and sooner than you think.
>Additionally, I made no comment as to whether it was morally or ethically
>right or wrong. Quoting out of context is very dull – if you can’t be
>bothered to read what I said then you’ll only make an even bigger ass of
>yourself if you reply to it. If you don’t understand what I said then ask
>for clarification – I’ll be happy to provide it.
So do you think they were :right" or were they "wrong?"
Do you condone their actions on behalf of the shareholders?
Do you think they did indeed make it their primary duty to protect the
rights and funds of the stockholders in their running of the company,
as is their duty by law and by their own corporate charter, or did
they serve other interests aside form that prime fiduciary duty?
>> >At the time that the people you mentioned took over they presented plans
>as
>> >to how they would operate and people bought into them – some because they
>> >actually believed in what was being said & some because they didn’t
>> >understand but followed along anyway.
>> So once again you are championing either stupidity or blind, ognorant
>> allegiance, eh?
>> Don’t you get tired of digging yourself deeper into these holes?
>Try not to be a dickhead all your life…..again, I made no comment as to
>the rights & wrongs of it, they were just statements as to what happened.
Well try, if you can, to be a bit more gutsy and tell us what you do
think (if, indeed, you do think at all). There are plenty of
"reporters" around to tell us what has happened after the fact. We all
know it.
Try not to be a wimp wanker all your life and express an opinion.
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>> >Like I said, there’s a lot of parellels with the blind faith support that
>> >the IRL gets now from some of its fans….the IRL can do no wrong, TG can
>do
>> >no wrong.
>> Nobody around here has said anything like that. I think Tony George is
>> a dolt, a clod, and barely sub-human, and TJMC has repeatedly
>> criticized the IRL for running on little bullrings and for their
>> piss-poor marketing and promotion, not to mention their lack of
>> foresight in many areas.
>> Of course, you ignore those posts since they don’t fit your agenda.
>I’ll have to look for them on Google – suffice to say I don’t actually
>recall seeing them in recent months….just a lot of childish delight in the
>demise of CART , statements about this being war, "mopping up" etc etc etc
>and what the "Big Man will do to make it all work out…Not to mention the
>ones that end with "Thank God for Tony George" (and mean it) ???
I can’t stand Tony George. He’s a creep, and a clod, and a dullard,
and a dolt. Listening to him speak is like fingernails on a chalkboard
to me. I find nothing about him the least bit positive or inspiring.
OTHERS think differently, as is their prerogative.
Yes, I will freely admit I do take quite a bit of delight in the
demise of CART, but not for the reasons you imply.
No, I relish it because I cannot believe the morons here who follow
along in lockstep, like blind lemmings, in the CART parade of
ineptitude. Some time ago I ventured on these newsgroups, as a CART
fan, questioning some of CART business decisions and directions and
was IMMEDIATELY branded an "IRL shill" and a "TG Lover" and a "CART
hater" and just about anything else you can think of by the posters
tjmc calls CHUMPS. I wasn’t accused repeatedly of being someone I
wasn’t.
Didn’t matter that I stated I was a CART fan and only wanted to
discuss what could be done to avoid the fall. No, no way. I had to be
a Tony George sycophant and IRL maven to possibly post anything
negative about CART.
So, I took it upon myself to become the most vociferous and cutting of
CART critics, and to do my homework on CART and its mismanagement, and
then to post that knowledge here at every available opportunity and
with the same vehemence and venom I was shown.
I am a mirror to the CHUMPS, and they hate looking at themselves in
such a cold and revealing light.
So, yes, I am enjoying immensely watching them squirm and quiver as
CART gasps and whimpers its way towards bankruptcy and failure.
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>> >Which is all well and good except that its blindingly obvious that they
>are
>> >doing something wrong because the nations TV sets are not tuned into the
>> >product in anything like sufficient numbers.
>> Nobody is arguing with that. Not a soul. But why do you constantly try
>> to turn a thread with CART as the subject into an IRL one?
>…..errr this is RASI not RASC is it not?
>The point is as below – if you need me to explain it I’ll be happy to break
>it into smaller words for you.
>> >You guys ought to be asking that basic question and following the thing
>back
>> >to the root cause of that & correcting it. If you don’t then, eventually,
>> >over the same cliff (as CART) you go…
>> Everyone is, only you are too blinded by your agenda to see it.
>is what? correcting the root cause of the pathetic IRL’s fan base? To quote
>you….Bwaaaaa Haaaaaaa!
But you avoid ever mentioning the pathetic CART fan base. Why is that?
>and an agenda of what? Seeing OW Racing surviving never mind get back to
>being what it was 10 years ago? That would be a bad thing then would it?
You’re too late if you think that goal has anything to do with CART.
>>No one has said that the IRL has all the answers, or is vastly superior,
>I can’t be bothered to look but I have no doubt its been said if not
>explicitly then implicitly dozens of times.
Not by me.
>>or has better marketing, or better promotion –
>….this part is true (except for the general view that ticket bundling &
>the BY400 are somehow good ideas for OW Racing generally!)
I think it is. How else would you propose to even possibly interest
the casual NASCAR fan in open-wheel racing?
You know, it’s funny – the devoted CHUMPS flamed and slammed ticket
bundling with NASCAR whenever the IRL did it, but simply glossed over
and ignored when CART did it at Michigan and Fontana.
>>only that they appear to be winning the "war."
>again this has been said and is true…..
Yep. The IRL is. At least we can agree on that.
>> Problem is you do NOT want to discuss CART’s shortfalls or its
>> apparent stubborness in destroying itself. You want to turn that same
>> blind eye you mention above and change the subject to the IRL in every
>> thread about CART.
>> Why?
>If I want to discuss CART in detail I’ll do it in RASC.
Read the RASI charter. CART is 100% completely on-topic in RASC.
Yet, discussion about the IRL is specifically OFF-TOPIC in RASC, but
it does not stop the CHUMPS from posting about the IRL endlessly
there.
>That said I think
>you should be able to find plenty of posts from me in recent months stating
>(here in RASI) that CART is in the Crapper…..
Maybe you are not as lost as you seem. 
>as part of a general theme
>that the IRL may not be far behind it and that the concern is therefore for
>the continuation of not just Open wheel racing but also racing that’s worth
>watching.
Farther than you can imagine.
>Dicussing CART here is pointless – and besides, going forward what’s to
>discuss? – there will be a CART board meeting next week followed by a trip
>to see a judge. If things go one way OWRS will take control of what it needs
>to run CART in 2004 & if they go the other then it won’t and so there won’t
>be any CART racing in 2004. Seems hardly worthy of discussion on the basis
>that the outcome is black or white – not much possibility of anything in
>between – so as I have said countless times, we shall all just have to wait
>& see what happens.
It is far, FAR less "black and white" than you profess it to be.
The fun is just now starting!
>http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/champcar/9116/ for the detail.
Where Kalkhoven says he is willing to fund CART for no more than 60
days?
>The only reason YOU want to discuss CART is so you can derive yet further
>peurile, infantile "Jollies" from calling people CHUMPS, CQOTW, TOCH etc etc
>etc…
Well, that’s part of it.
There’s a bit of the little kid in all of us.
>its crass,
But suggesting people throw rotten food at Tony George is not "crass,"
right?
>its pathetic,
But taking mindless pot-shots at the IRL over Kenny Brack’s crash or
Tony Renna’s death is not "pathetic," eh?
>its boring,
But constantly blaming Tony George and the IRL for ALL of CART’s
…
read more »
Are we gonna have to start yet ANOTHER new NG?
http://sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=auto-c/news…
44697.htm
Zanardi to race full-time in 2004
Bologna, Italy (Sports Network) – Former Formula One and Champ Car driver
Alex Zanardi will return to the track full-time in 2004. The popular
Italian will reportedly drive a BMW in the 2004 European Touring Car
Championship.
"It is 99-percent sure that in 2004 I will drive in the Touring Car
championship with BMW Italia using a vehicle of the Ravaglia team," Zanardi
said.
In October, Zanardi raced a BMW in the final touring car race of the season
at Monza in Italy, finishing seventh in a specially-adapted vehicle.
The two-time CART champion also said he had turned down an offer from Honda
to race in the Indianapolis 500.
"They said they would be open to any project, although I think my career is
finished at that level," said Zanardi.
12/10 16:22:20 ET
Cool!
–
Ron Payne
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the Indy 500."
– Juan Pablo Montoya
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Driver of the year all CART fans its time to show speed we are here
CART Communications Director Merrill Cain resigned from CART.
More people leaving the sinking ship?
Even old Mark "Silly Baloney Pony" Cipolloni at AR! says the party is
over and out for CART.
Just look at his headline:
"CART buyout may be off – Bankruptcy now likely"
So come on now Juan, come on now Philip, and you others come along,
too, like Hiett, Ashford, Story, Hoehn, Sweeney, Robinson, Sterling,
Lorenzini, Wabbit, the two Shells, Maelman, little rikky, etc. – and
tell us all again how CART is not really in any trouble at all, and
will easily be running a full and exciting 2004 season!
Let’s hear it form the CHUMPS now!
Come on and tell us how this is really a "good" thing, just like
Penske and Marlboro leaving, and going to spec cars and engines, and
dumping Michigan, and promoting its own races, and blowing all that
cash down the drain, and making those European "swings" (read money
losers), and floatingthe IPO, etc., etc., etc. were all such "good"
things and fostered a great new beginning and future for CART!
Tell us all again how OWRS was going to "save" CART and make
everything Hunky-Dory!
Tell us all one more time how CART is going to BURY the IRL and be the
only one left standing.
Give us some more of that "run more races in 2004 than the IRL" drool
and dribble, and just a bit more of how wonderful and brilliant Chris
"Moses" Pook is!
Let have one more refrain of how this is what CART had to do to
"survive" while it SCREWED the shareholders out of ***MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS*** of dollars when it should have closed its
doors a year ago and divided the cash up among its shareholders
instead of taking them to the cleaners.
Just one more verse of this is what was "good" for CART and its
stockholders.
Ah, yes – Revenge is a dish that is best served COLD, now isn’t it?
"Turn out the lights; The party’s ooooooooo-ver!"
Where is Dandy Don Meredith when you need him?
Andy Craig to the rescue? Nope.
Joe Heitzler to the rescue? Nope.
Chris Pook to the rescue? Nope, again.
Bernie Eccelstone to the rescue? Nope, and you know he knew the damn
thing was sunk, sunk, sunk way back when.
Paul "Strip Club" Gentilozzi to the rescue, with his band of Merry Men
– "Junk Bond" Kalkhoven, "What BAR?" Pollock, "I’m Gone" Russo,
and "What, my own money?" Forsythe? Nope, nope, nope – times ten!
BTW, where is Doug "Queeney" Ashford these days?
Hiding? Saving his pennies from his sale of CART/MPH stock? On his
knees praying wildly for another "Savior" to give him 16 races plus?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAAAAAA!
***BILLIONS AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS*** of worldwide CART viewers,
and not one buyer in site!